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Ghosts...could this be true ?

Postby VictoryEverlasting on Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:15 pm

one of my friends called me last night and she was very scared.
She tells me that there is 'paranormal' activity in her house.
From her:
"at night I can hear someone walking up and down the stairs, chairs moving...doors slamming"

her two dogs go crazy..start growling and barking ...and she and her roommate lock themselves up in a room.
They have gone out of their room when they hear all this but have not seen anything.

They are both white. I am far away and trying to see maybe if a Gursikh Veerji/Behnji can do Ardas at their place...In the meanwhile I asked them to throw out the Alcohol they have in their house. (which they did)
I sent them Rehras Sahib recitation and meaning to play in the house.


Any suggestions or thoughts wlecome...
Starting with - could this even be true ?

Sincerely...wjkk wjkf
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Re: Ghosts...could this be true ?

Postby 5ikh on Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:23 pm

VictoryEverlasting wrote:one of my friends called me last night and she was very scared.
She tells me that there is 'paranormal' activity in her house.
From her:
"at night I can hear someone walking up and down the stairs, chairs moving...doors slamming"

her two dogs go crazy..start growling and barking ...and she and her roommate lock themselves up in a room.
They have gone out of their room when they hear all this but have not seen anything.

They are both white. I am far away and trying to see maybe if a Gursikh Veerji/Behnji can do Ardas at their place...In the meanwhile I asked them to throw out the Alcohol they have in their house. (which they did)
I sent them Rehras Sahib recitation and meaning to play in the house.


Any suggestions or thoughts wlecome...
Starting with - could this even be true ?

Sincerely...wjkk wjkf


Are they sure, that paranormal activity is taking place or they just saw the movie paranomal activity and are freaked out about it.

Not trying to be over dismissive, but most of the time a person just ends up scaring themselves and there is nothing really there, from the beginning.

Ghost do exist, but can't harm a person who is devoted towards God nor do they come near such a person.

Sometimes its just an old house and the wood as gone old so it makes sounds from time to time. And the doors slamming could be just brisk of wind from a window being open and/or the doors could not be properly installed and can close on there own. Add some wind and the door will close faster and will make a slamming sound. Chairs moving maybe someone they know is just playing a trick on them. The movie Paranomal Activity is a new release and people start believing maybe there is a demon in their place or following them when it's just a buddy having some fun.

And if they still think it is some type of demon or ghost then they can do paath themselves and follow the customs on how to do paath. Utmost respect should be kept for the paath. Cover the head and make sure hands are washed before holding the Gutka or even opening Gurbani on the computer.
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Re: Ghosts...could this be true ?

Postby VictoryEverlasting on Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:08 pm

wjkk wjkf

I just spoke to them again...and I am pretty sure this is true...both of them sound very stressed and can't get any
sleep.

5ikh ji...they are white and have never spoken/read Gurmukhi/Punjabi and cannot do Path. They can listen to it for sure and I have sent them "Rehras Sahib Ji" and meaning in English and asked for them to be respectful when its playing.

wjkk wjkf
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Re: Ghosts...could this be true ?

Postby Lee Douglas on Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:27 am

VictoryEverlasting wrote:wjkk wjkf

I just spoke to them again...and I am pretty sure this is true...both of them sound very stressed and can't get any
sleep.

5ikh ji...they are white and have never spoken/read Gurmukhi/Punjabi and cannot do Path. They can listen to it for sure and I have sent them "Rehras Sahib Ji" and meaning in English and asked for them to be respectful when its playing.

wjkk wjkf



There are several things you can do to with ghostly activity, and I have no doubt that such things exist. Ignore it would be my recomendation, or get an excorsim performed.

But ignore it really, things may be a little spooky but nobody will get hurt and in the long run, they will get used to it.
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Re: Ghosts...could this be true ?

Postby singhbj on Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:42 am

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Organise a prayer meeting (Keertan or Paath) at their place.

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Waheguru ji ki fateh
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Re: Ghosts...could this be true ?<<no, it can't

Postby karakara on Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:53 am

Satnam,

Contrary to the general consensus here, I've never seen a single, solitary iota of credible evidence for the existence of ghosts, or of any other sort of paranormal activity. It's my sincere opinion that the only ghosts and paranormal activity existing in the home of your friends is taking place entirely in their heads.

Look -- superstition is rampant, and one of the sort of built-in tendencies that we need to overcome, not nurture.

I have recommended this excellent book in the past, and I'm sure that I shouldn't need to introduce the author, the late-great Carl Sagan.

The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark


http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257853204&sr=8-1

One sober reading should be all that it takes if one's rational side of the brain is in control of the other (left vs. right brain, I guess) to disabuse them of the existence of ghosts, and to inoculate them against any future lapses or irrationality and superstition. Honestly, I gave this book to one of my first Psyche professors who was struggling over the question of how to teach her students Critical Thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking skills... she has since made this book required reading!

As far as doing Ardas in the house to ward off (I suppose) evil spirits, come on! I'm all for Ardas , but let's not cheapen it in equating it to some sort of exorsism ritual.. those are sad enough when done by Catholics.. yes, the religion that I fled in my youth for sanity's sake.

Encourage your friends to confront the sounds that they hear.. I recommend the largest size Mag-Lite police flashlight in one hand, a baseball bat in another, then take a deep breath and just discover what the sounds are, rather than letting their (apparently, very active) imaginations fill in the blanks.

In all seriousness.
"If you cannot see God in all, you cannot see God at all."

"When there is no hope, YOU become The Hope!"

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Re: Ghosts...could this be true ?

Postby VictoryEverlasting on Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:14 am

sorry, answering my own question here..haha, but just dawned on me..the SOLUTION:
to all this 'bhoot'..ghost...paranormal...

Bhai Manpreet Singh Ji himself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0m2KEqBnT4
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Re: Ghosts...could this be true ?

Postby singh4u on Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:21 am

sangat ji ,

After careful study of Sikhism - it is undoubtly clear ghosts,spirits exist despite our belief or evidence....
Even other faiths agree with this matter ! Please view supporting shabads below.
How can one say they do not exist? if so, karma can be dismissed as no one as witnessed it.
"yamdoots" angels of death clearly mentioned are also spirits who take our soul for punishment - lets ignore and pretend they it is fairytale? ( no evidence) No sangat ji Sikhism is not fairytale !

Please wake up sangat ji and accept Sikhism as it is ....if something is mentioned as there is no evidence - so be it!
accept it as truth.

Superstition, evil, paranormal uprising exist as there is lack of spirituality in this world. This is also mentioned in every faiths and it make 100% sense. People are more into wasting time, using god as a toy etc....
Please view the tv show from USA - paranormal estate and some British haunting programs as people encounter paranormal on camera, audio etc...

So how can we help this family?

Call in priests, house blessings and like mentioned before have all meat, alcohol removed from home and have khandpaath in the home performed...you do not need a large crowd but spiritual people are necessary.
Parshad ( bless food ) must also be distributed to the homeless,poor people in shelter homes nearby.
Why?
Please do keep us posted



Kai mean many
kot mean crorre ie 10 millions
Jachh is slang from Yaksha a type of human like entity(refered as human only in Akalustat)
They could be native of Sri Lanka before Sinhalees from north India sttled there.
Kinnar are men from high mountain from Kinnaour of Himachal Pradesh(both are refered in hindu mythology also as semi or full divine man like creatures).

Pishach is a type of Ghost ,which is vampire

Bhot and pret both are used for ghost.
Pret could be a ghost never been in human body while bhoot is ghost at least been born as human or may be other body and yet to be salvaged.

Ii shall continue further as per study of Sikhism in meantime i pray these spirits are released from haunting!
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Re: Ghosts...could this be true ?

Postby karakara on Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:08 pm

singh4u wrote:sangat ji ,

After careful study of Sikhism - it is undoubtly clear ghosts,spirits exist despite our belief or evidence....
Even other faiths agree with this matter ! Please view supporting shabads below.
How can one say they do not exist? if so, karma can be dismissed as no one as witnessed it.
"yamdoots" angels of death clearly mentioned are also spirits who take our soul for punishment - lets ignore and pretend they it is fairytale? ( no evidence) No sangat ji Sikhism is not fairytale !

Please wake up sangat ji and accept Sikhism as it is ....if something is mentioned as there is no evidence - so be it!
accept it as truth.

Superstition, evil, paranormal uprising exist as there is lack of spirituality in this world. This is also mentioned in every faiths and it make 100% sense. People are more into wasting time, using god as a toy etc....
Please view the tv show from USA - paranormal estate and some British haunting programs as people encounter paranormal on camera, audio etc...

So how can we help this family?

Call in priests, house blessings and like mentioned before have all meat, alcohol removed from home and have khandpaath in the home performed...you do not need a large crowd but spiritual people are necessary.
Parshad ( bless food ) must also be distributed to the homeless,poor people in shelter homes nearby.
Why?
Please do keep us posted



Kai mean many
kot mean crorre ie 10 millions
Jachh is slang from Yaksha a type of human like entity(refered as human only in Akalustat)
They could be native of Sri Lanka before Sinhalees from north India sttled there.
Kinnar are men from high mountain from Kinnaour of Himachal Pradesh(both are refered in hindu mythology also as semi or full divine man like creatures).

Pishach is a type of Ghost ,which is vampire

Bhot and pret both are used for ghost.
Pret could be a ghost never been in human body while bhoot is ghost at least been born as human or may be other body and yet to be salvaged.

Ii shall continue further as per study of Sikhism in meantime i pray these spirits are released from haunting!


I think we can agree to disagree without one or the other of us being labelelled an apostate, etc. I simply cannot abide to take my Sikhi down the path of superstition. What did Guru Nanak Dev ji say about superstition? Was he for it, or against it?

When we mention references to spirits, etc., are we sure that the original purpose of such stories were not allegorical --or do we literally believe the most fantastic, reality-defying assertions? If we are not 100% sure, then I will accept the allegorical lessons that such tales teach. I see Buddhism as a Dharmic faith that, although very rational, still clings to superstition, demons, etc. I left another faith which is hopelessly mired in superstition, supernatural, and REQUIRES it's members to believe that the laws of physics, science, etc., must be both suspended and subordinated to scripture. I see Sikhi as highly rational, and that fact that we subscribe to a rational Dharma, not blind faith, is key for me. We are a Dharma, not a pure Faith.. there is quite a big difference.
"If you cannot see God in all, you cannot see God at all."

"When there is no hope, YOU become The Hope!"

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Re: Ghosts...could this be true ?

Postby himmat_singh on Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:07 pm

Sat Sri Akal

singh4u wrote:Please wake up sangat ji and accept Sikhism as it is


There are 130 references to Siddhas in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

This is what I read about Siddhas in another book ( Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda) :
"The Siddhas are beings who are a little above ghosts. When the Yogi concentrates his mind on the top of his head he will see these Siddhas. The word Siddha does not refer to those men who have become free—a sense in which it is often used"

So I guess they do exist, and Guru ji also recognises their existence. To see them requires deep meditation ( Naam Simran) and God's grace.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
O Nanak, sing of the Lord, the Treasure of Excellence. Sing, and listen, and let your mind be filled with love. Your pain shall be sent far away, and peace shall come to your home.
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